是印尼造成的本地空气差吗？

按理说烧纸都在烧，为啥北部的数据一枝独秀呢？

风向啊，大侠。
还常年烧垃圾空气污染。。。
这种智商怎么出来混的。

每天都烧垃圾，然后存起来集中在几天释放污染
整个7月每天都烧纸，然后存起来集中到一个地方释放污染。
这人脑子有病。

新加坡自己的污染的确比较严重的。西部的化工厂，东部的飞机场一起飞就是一顿油耗。北部的轮船码头一开动就是几顿油耗。还有各种汽车。工厂。 550万人口的废气。 都密集在700平方公里什么。

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看着这张图还讲什么风向，这可不是智商低的问题，是根本就不想说实话，居心叵测。

现在这么严重的空气污染，确实是印尼烧芭造成的。
风是西南风，苏门答腊森林大火的烟雾，直接飘来新加坡，印尼的观测点太少，不能说明真实情况。

这种铺天盖地的烟烧冥纸是很难达到要求的。得印尼人去烧他们的老底， 配上西南季风，才能在新加坡看到这种奇观。

这是现在的指数。烟雾不飘去新山吗？

这种东西要看统计值，瞬时值仅供参考，而且取样点不同，数值也不同，楼主贴图用的这个网站，现在新加坡的数据已经全面低于100了，西部93反而成了最高，其余方向都低于70.

可是新加坡nea的数据，北部还是100多一点。

今天烟雾去KL了。。。

Environmental Performance Index: 2016 reportrankcountryscoreten-year change1Finland90.683.19%2Iceland90.516.91%3Sweden90.435.58%4Denmark89.214.98%5Slovenia88.9812.15%6Spain88.9110.01%7Portugal88.6310.88%8Estonia88.595.91%9Malta88.4811.62%10France88.28.70%11New Zealand8822.07%12United Kingdom87.387.02%13Australia87.2221.75%14Singapore87.04-0.43%15Croatia86.9822.37%16Switzerland86.934.71%17Norway86.95.73%18Austria86.6410.44%19Ireland86.63.48%20Luxembourg86.585.15%21Greece85.8127.92%22Latvia85.718.02%23Lithuania85.499.25%24Slovakia85.4210.40%25Canada85.065.17%26United States  of America84.7210.93%27Czech Republic84.677.85%28Hungary84.611.54%29Italy84.488.43%30Germany84.268.43%31Azerbaijan83.7818.10%32Russia83.5224.34%33Bulgaria83.412.01%34Romania83.2428.93%35Belarus82.33.77%36Netherlands82.038.09%37Armenia81.613.19%38Poland81.268.12%39Japan80.595.72%40Cyprus80.248.51%41Belgium80.1510.43%42Costa Rica80.0315.33%43Argentina79.845.40%44Ukraine79.6925.38%45Cuba79.048.81%46Brazil78.916.94%47Montenegro78.8921.07%48Serbia78.6714.90%49Israel78.145.21%50Macedonia78.0218.81%51Panama787.00%52Chile77.675.75%53Tunisia77.2815.71%54Jamaica77.0220.02%55Moldova76.699.09%56Venezuela76.235.20%57Colombia75.9314.84%58Dominican Republic75.3224.74%59Fiji75.2923.22%60Taiwan74.8826.96%61Albania74.3827.10%62Trinidad and Tobago74.348.51%63Malaysia74.2313.05%64Morocco74.1824.65%65Uruguay73.9812.96%66Philippines73.716.36%67Mexico73.5910.69%68Belize73.5516.34%69Kazakhstan73.2925.80%70Dominica73.2518.43%71Kyrgyz Republic73.1323.53%72Tajikistan73.0516.82%73Peru72.9521.89%74Jordan72.2430.09%75Guyana71.1419.62%76Bolivia71.0920.02%77Mauritius70.858.75%78Namibia70.8428.82%79Botswana70.7219.22%80South Korea70.616.01%81South Africa70.5215.19%82Paraguay70.3617.01%83Algeria70.283.69%84Turkmenistan70.2420.96%85Samoa70.227.04%86Bahrain70.077.45%87Qatar69.9430.05%88Honduras69.6419.78%88Guatemala69.6420.51%90Equatorial Guinea69.5927.81%91Thailand69.5417.68%92United Arab  Emirates69.3526.32%93The Bahamas69.348.04%94Lebanon69.1435.22%95Saudi Arabia68.6325.42%96Suriname68.58-2.20%97El Salvador68.0715.26%98Brunei Darussalam67.8619.28%99Turkey67.687.31%100Gabon67.3710.37%101Syria66.9137.45%102Tonga66.867.94%103Ecuador66.582.38%104Egypt66.4537.21%105Iran66.3215.46%106Zambia66.0630.76%107Indonesia65.8510.45%108Sri Lanka65.553.51%109China65.112.73%110Bhutan64.998.06%111Georgia64.9611.77%112Seychelles64.921.25%113Kuwait64.4145.26%114Mongolia64.3921.97%115Nicaragua64.196.82%116Iraq63.978.24%117Senegal63.7322.70%118Uzbekistan63.670.79%119Libya63.2926.18%120Bosnia and  Herzegovina63.2816.11%120Grenada63.2810.92%122Antigua and Barbuda62.554.95%123Kenya62.4925.36%124Swaziland60.6324.22%125Kiribati60.4814.52%126Oman60.1327.34%127Cote d'Ivoire59.8912.20%128Congo59.5625.84%129Zimbabwe59.255.00%130Ghana58.8922.46%131Viet Nam58.520.67%132Tanzania58.3431.19%133Nigeria58.2718.75%134Vanuatu57.7414.50%135Uganda57.5622.13%136Cameroon57.1322.33%137Maldives57.122.17%138Timor-Leste55.7933.66%139Guinea55.422.32%140Barbados54.9614.31%141India53.5820.87%142The Gambia52.0920.33%143Cape Verde51.9815.64%144Pakistan51.4216.07%145Angola51.3216.53%146Cambodia51.2417.52%147Rwanda50.346.09%148Laos50.298.52%149Nepal50.2114.53%150Yemen49.7917.29%151Malawi49.6919.97%152Comoros49.248.78%153Myanmar48.981.30%154Sao Tome and  Principe48.2838.26%155Guinea-Bissau48.215.56%156Papua New Guinea48.0215.93%157Lesotho47.1732.46%158Solomon Islands46.928.41%159Central  African Republic46.467.37%160Mauritania46.3120.88%161Togo46.118.51%162Sierra Leone45.9816.58%163Ethiopia45.8314.75%164Djibouti45.2936.17%165Burkina Faso43.7116.10%166Benin43.6616.21%167Liberia43.4211.33%168Burundi43.3711.12%169Haiti43.2812.04%170Sudan42.2513.54%171Dem. Rep. Congo42.0514.55%172Mozambique41.8211.79%173Bangladesh41.773.21%174Mali41.4814.62%175Chad37.8312.49%176Afghanistan37.521.24%177Niger37.4812.82%178Madagascar37.111.21%179Eritrea36.7312.32%180Somalia27.664.93%

以上是耶鲁的报告（http://epi.yale.edu/），是綜合排名。按一下国名，可以看到此国的各个单项排名。
新加坡在废水处理上做得很好，空气质量上还有待进步。上联合国的网站：世界污染现状与治理，也可以大概了解新加坡的空气质量排名。

（最好是看城市与城市比较，还没找到。）

楼主人呢，出来看看现在的数据吧，看问题不能只盯住某个瞬间.

水，是自家的水，容易控制；
空气质量，除了自己努力，也得靠邻国配合。
都如去年那样，有大半年在吸邻国的烟灰，全年的空气平均值，怎么能好？

http://www.zaobao.com.sg/special ... tory20160830-660336

印尼这种流氓国家为啥没人治得了？

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因为是流氓国家。。

楼主的脸被打的啪啪的。。。。

世界卫生组织的数据，总数是3000个城市，我缩减了一下，对同一国来说，是把数据较好的城市删除了（简单认为其人口不多），我本意是要找人口拥挤，经济发达的城市来跟新加坡比较。一开始还会去看一下城市情况，整理到后面有点没了耐性，只删好的数据，可能有一些偏颇，仅供参考。详情可看：Ambient (outdoor) air pollution database, by country and city
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这么多天过去了风都是吹西北的，新加坡附近的空气任然是非常的好啊！！！

今天北部地区的空气的确不咋地，我觉得和烧纸有点关系。城市越来越密集，烧纸这种陋习真的是要改改了。

我们在讨论什么？应该不是讨论是本地的空气好，还是巴淡岛的空气好。而是讨论本地的较差空气是本地自己造成的，还是受到印尼的烧芭影响。
答案是肯定的：只要印尼的火还在烧，只要地球不发生倒转（季风改变），本地空气质量就会受印尼烧芭影响。
怀疑者总是拿空气观测图来说事，我也就来说一说吧。
我前面说，数据与取点的位置有关。从图上看，印尼烧芭区域并没有给出数据，整个苏门答腊岛，空气好得很，是事实吗？
再说新加坡周围，与新加坡地理位置相近，也会受印尼影响的kukup, Telok Kreang等等大片地区，没有数据，北部的柔佛和Pasir Gudang数据和新加坡相近 ,离印尼火点远一些，这两个区域的烟雾，比新加坡稀薄一些也是正常。拿更远的benut或巴淡岛来说事，就没有什么意义了。
上环境局网站，可以查到PSI的历史数据：[color=#0388BA !important]Historical PSI Readings
兀兰那边数值有时偏高，应该与工业区有关，如果裕廊岛出数据，应该更不好。

辛苦了，提供这么多数据来支持。其实，楼主自己胡扯了一通，被打脸之后早就弃贴了。

上环境局的网站，可以查到本地空气质量的历史数据：http://www.nea.gov.sg/anti-pollu ... orical-psi-readings
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印尼常年都在烧笆，烟雾如果飘到本区域来就会对整个区域产生影响，风是不会跳跃或蛇形移动的。一个地方空气的好坏即受外来影响也有本身的因素。新山71和171并不是接近的数字。look5的贴的那些数字更无意义，豪无可比性。最近有时常常看到一坐楼下就有几处烧纸的，有的是在圆形水泥池中烧的，产生大量的黑烟。在一个人口密度如此高的地方，集中这么多工业，环保再做的如此的“优秀”，那还能希望多好的空气呢？受印尼的影响在天数和程度方面是相对的，自身的因素才是绝对的。为什么简单的问题要弄这么复杂，是心态，是你脸上有块污迹你自己不愿意承认罢了。

我也不喜欢人烧纸，特别是以前住hdb，楼下烧纸的一堆接着一堆，很烦人。但是这是传统习俗，很难改变，何况也就是七月的月头月中月尾集中烧一点而已。这次只不过正好和烧吧污染撞车了。

“印尼常年都在烧笆”
这是误解。印尼分雨季和旱季两个季节，上半年雨季，下半年旱季，当地人只有在旱季才烧芭。所以，对比本地去年上半年和下半年的空气指数，就能回答楼主的质疑。
“风是不会跳跃或蛇形移动的。一个地方空气的好坏即受外来影响也有本身的因素。新山71和171并不是接近的数字。look5的贴的那些数字更无意义，豪无可比性。” “受印尼的影响在天数和程度方面是相对的，自身的因素才是绝对的。”
空气是流动的，数据则可以跳跃地取，同一地点，在上风口取值，还是下风口取值，数据就可以天差地别，这也是为什么楼主的第一个图上，印尼的火源地区空气指数也能如此好。楼主发帖的主题应该是否定印尼烧芭对本地空气的影响，现在是承认了烧芭对新加坡的影响，还是坚持不承认呢？如果发帖的标题换一下，重点不在否认印尼烧芭的影响，只是批评新加坡空气不好，我不会接话；如果不是有人闭目塞听，坚持不承认印尼烧芭对本地空气的破坏，我也不会有兴趣去了解本地的空气质量，到底是处于怎样的水平。我只是要说明一个简单的事实 : 楼主发帖时新加坡的指数过百，确实是印尼烧芭造成的。我的数据，是要还原新加坡在不受烧芭影响时，空气质量的真实情况，并无粉饰功能。数据能说话，看懂它就有意义了。另外，既然已经了解一个地方空气的好坏即受外来影响也有本身的因素，就不该拿新山来苛求新加坡，新山是怎样的人口密度和工业水平？有可比性吗？我罗列出许多城市的数据，就是要大家拿人口密度相近，发达程度相近的城市来和新加坡比较，这样才较为客观。取值的时间点不同，是即时的？3小时的？还是24小时的？也会影响数值。

楼主发的那个网站，现在新加坡五个取样点都是30多，烧芭的影响暂时过去了，七月也过去了，如果前些天破百是因为本地工业交通啥影响的，不可能这么短时间就回复30多。

所以说，要么就是烧芭，要么就是七月烧纸，或者两者都有影响。

世界空气污染：实时空气质量指数地图 - AQICN.org是楼主提供的网站，我观察了1-2个小时，其间，新加坡的数据在不断地更新，而马来西亚的数据则一直没有变化。所以，我有理由怀疑，71和171不是同一时间点的数据，无可比性。就算71和171是同一时刻的数据，也只能说明新山比新加坡的空气要好，不能证明是有还是没有印尼烟雾的影响在里面。那么，我们怎么来判断171和71数据里有没有印尼烟雾的因素？很简单：1，凭我们自己的眼睛和鼻子。在这儿住久了，就知道怎样的空气是自制的，怎样的空气是舶来品；     （本地拜神烧纸，常年都有，初一，十五等大日子，会更多一些，但其对空气指数的贡献没有那么大。）2，依据新闻报导，污染源的照片，风向；3，更精准一点，就是数据，拿本地即时的数据和历史的数据来比较。我想，凭以上3点来判断，应该已经足够。