有看徐峥的“我不是药神”的吗?
bigcrab • • 29435 次浏览看哭了,真是有钱人才能买得起药保命...
但是对医药开发公司来说,确实是投资了很多开发医药和做药物毒性研究...
这个矛盾不知道怎么解决...
不知道新加坡的私人住院保险报销这些昂贵的药物吗?貌似这些病人都没住院。
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#1
在哪里看这个?
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bigcrab 楼主#2
油管里有枪版的效果不是那么好,将就下吧
搜电影名就可以找到 -
#3
理论上多买保险,关键时刻可以救命。
问题是,在中国很多人别说商业险了,就连社保都不愿意买,一旦到了关键时刻,又嫌药物太贵。
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bigcrab 楼主#4
有理,关心我们买的住院险有包这些药吗?有保险中介朋友谈谈吗?
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#5
买保险吧另外注意身体……人其实挺脆弱的……除了防范别无他法
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#6
看了这个帖子特意上网查了一番1. 药不是最贵的部分。那些检查,手术,放化疗才是。当然和癌症类型有关。
2. 住院保险只覆盖一部分。
3. 需要购买 Critical illness insurance 和 early stage illness insurance -
bigcrab 楼主#7
年纪大了是开始关注养生了自身免疫还是最重要滴
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bigcrab 楼主#8
天哪,这么多种保险买全了估计没钱养娃了...
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#9
一个真实案例,个人博客上看的一个新加坡女生买了 Critical illness insurance 和 hospital insurance 。 治疗乳腺癌,200千,然后去保险公司索赔。
保险公司回信“it is not a cancer".
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#10
哇 求链接去看看后续
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bigcrab 楼主#11
好震撼的例子,同求链接关心八卦下
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#12
药神里面提到的药叫 Glybera2012年,欧盟批准了一种新药,名字Glybera。
说起来,Glybera应该算是一种真正意义上的“转基因”药物。
转基因技术其实已经得到很广泛的应用,把抗虫基因转移给棉花,获得不怕棉铃虫的棉花品种。将人表达胰岛素的基因转入大肠杆菌或者酵母菌里,让这些细菌帮人类合成胰岛素。但Glybera则是一种革命性的突破:把目标基因片段转移给需要治疗的患者,以根本性治愈患者的基因缺陷。
Glybera用于治疗脂蛋白酯酶缺乏症(LPLD),LPLD也叫家族性高乳糜微粒血症,是一种先天性遗传病,这种患者体内缺乏能够合成脂蛋白酯酶的基因,引起严重代谢障碍,患者无法进食正常食物,而且会反复发作胰腺炎。
Glybera其实是携带功能性LPL基因拷贝的腺病毒,通过注射,将患者缺失的功能性LPL基因转移到患者骨骼肌内。“修复”患者的基因缺陷,恢复患者正常的机能。为期6年的随访证明,这种修复是长期的而不是短暂的。这种基因治疗模式是对传统药物的一次颠覆性革命。
要知道:很多疾病,包括多种常见慢性疾病如高血压糖尿病等等都与基因有关,如果我们能够直接修复基因缺陷,那就可以一劳永逸的摆脱这些疾病,而无需长期用药。这种前景虽然还很遥远,但Glybera的成功至少让我们看到了希望。
Glybera同时创造了药物价格的记录,是目前为止全世界最贵的药物。该药每支5.3万欧元,一个体重62.5公斤的患者需要进行21次注射,总费用110万欧元,相当于800多万人民币。 -
bigcrab 楼主#13
也是看到网评好才搜来看的确实不错
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#14
全切手术并没有那么贵当然啦,私人医院可能会比较贵,应该也没有这么贵。20万可能是包括了乳房重建。。
个人认为,普遍来说,stage 0 就选择全切有些治疗过度,不过这是个人选择。
公立医院stage 1,2治疗下来,10万左右吧 -
#15
谁来说说保险报不报这种单抗药
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#16
事到临头,那种不想死的感觉,想活下去的欲望想象不到的坐我旁边的姐姐2016年确诊癌症,看得出来她用了很大的勇气熬了过来,真的是板命那种勇气。
前两天回来看我们,人黑了,瘦了一大圈,元气明显下降,但是熬过来了。
另外一个部门也是认识的,同年确诊癌症,现在听说只能坐轮椅,要人照顾,可能是不太理想。
三十出头的大男人,哭着问为什么是我。
人到了那个地步,想到的只是我要活下去。。 -
#17
感觉有点效仿《达拉斯买家俱乐部》,但也不失为一部好片。
总体感觉还是达拉斯更胜一筹。医药问题在于国家 不是简简单单一个医院 一个医生 一个药贩子可以解决的 -
#18
人的求生欲望真的想象不到很多人以为, 生活很困苦的人,以及年龄很大的人,求生欲也许不那么强烈。
天涯上讲过一个实例, 有一个下岗的父亲50多岁,和一个20多岁的儿子。 家境不好。父亲得了癌症,把自住的唯一住房卖了筹款治病。把儿子气的。
国外有个人在野外独自探险,被巨石砸住了腿,他就用随身带的瑞士刀把腿割断,用裤子把伤口绑住,连滚带爬的去到离得最近的村庄,得救。 -
#19
真各位保险大牛,如果发生在新加坡如果要吃这种药,保险能报销吗?
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#20
新加坡Ministry of Health 有个政府医院许可药物列表这个药我查过不在里面。私人医院也许可以开,是否报销就不知道了。
如果是我,就跑印度去买了,反正签证不是问题,药物的名称和仿制药的名称都知道,问一下就买的到。
制药业是新加坡制造业支柱之一, 政府不可能允许侵犯版权的仿制药通过正规渠道进口。 -
bigcrab 楼主#21
也是这么想不行就去印度买,
国内家人的同事得癌症,我也建议过去印度去寻寻有没有这种新药物,当然不是每种癌症都有靶向治疗的药 -
bigcrab 楼主#22
有看徐峥的“我不是药神”的吗?看哭了,真是有钱人才能买得起药保命...
但是对医药开发公司来说,确实是投资了很多开发医药和做药物毒性研究...
这个矛盾不知道怎么解决...
不知道新加坡的私人住院保险报销这些昂贵的药物吗?貌似这些病人都没住院。
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#23
Google with keyword tan kin lian insuranceTAN Kin Lian 就是从NTUC 退休后,竞选新加坡总统那个。
他写的有关如何购买保险的文章很多,大多发表于 2012 到2016年。
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这是Tan Kin Lian 的文章之一,看完就懂他为啥被同行骂Do not put too much trust in insurance companies for critical illness or medical fees, due to arbitr
posted on 20 Feb 2016
I have been consulted on a few occasions about rejected critical illness or medical claims. The policyholder contracts a serious illness and submits a claim. The insurance company checks with the hospital or polyclinic and found record of a previous consultation which was not declared to the insurance company. On some occasions, the consultation was made several years earlier.
The policyholder told me that they did not declare the consultation because they was not aware of its significance. They did consult the doctor who assured them that the medical condition was not serious. It could be a borderline hypertension, but the doctor felt that it was not necessary to go on medication. This non-declaration, even though it was not intended, has often led to a rejection of the claim.
In many cases, the rejection was unjustified. However, it seemed to be a practice for the claim officer to look for a reason to reject a claim, and the alleged non-disclosure was a convenient reason.
Under the life or general insurance policy, there is usually a non-dispute clause. This clause states that the insurance company cannot dispute a claim on grounds of non-disclosure after a lapse of one or two years from the issue of the policy, "except in the case of fraud". Some claim officers argue that non-disclosure is fraudulent. They are mistaken. If challenged in court, they are likely to fail.
In some countries, the insurance company is more careful about disputing claims on such flimsy grounds, as they might be sued for punitive damages for their bad behavior or unreasonable rejection of claims. The actions are usually taken by the authority, acting in the interest of consumers, or by lawyers working on "success fee" basis - i.e. they lawyer do not charge any fee if they failed to get compensation for the victim. Unfortunately, we do not have these practices in Singapore.
Because of the poor claim handling standards in Singapore, I often advise consumers to avoid putting too much trust in insurance companies. It is distressful to be paying a large premium to an insurance company for the "peace of mind" only to find that the insurance company had rejected a claim unfairly.
For critical illness and medical fees, I prefer to rely on personal savings, rather than pay a large premium for an uncertain cover. I advise buying personal accident insurance to cover accidents - which is usually more certain in settlement, compared to the other classes. -
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看了,突然在思考到底 是哪里的百姓 能过上最放心的生活呢?
中国医疗:各种关系,虽然说有钱就有名,但是有的时候,没关系照样不给你床位。。。
新加坡医疗:没犯过大病, 不大了解
西方医疗: 每个人都说社保好,这个好那个好,但是那不都是自己的税 堆起来的么? -
#26
以前没想过这个问题觉得自己已经买了不少保险,应该可以放心,可是老了买不起保险的问题咋整,求本版良心经纪们讲讲,是不是无解
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#27
为什么要买到private或者public A呢几年前买的,后来还特意降了等级到public B。。
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#28
在中国,要有关系在新加坡和西方国家,要买好保险
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#29
个人理解1. 公立医院可能等待时间过长. 参见海峡时报报道.
Long wait at public hospitals drives many to go private
https://www.straitstimes.com/forum/letters-in-print/long-wait-at-public-hospitals-drives-many-to-go-private
2. 每年最高索赔总额提高1到3倍
3. 可以选医生
4. 服务和环境较好. 生病的时候肯定想住单间(publicA是单间),家属可以陪夜; publicB是四人一间, 家属不可以陪夜.
5. publicA 去私立医院报销70%. 如果publicB去私立医院报销比例小很多. -
#30
不会呀我毕业就买了,重疾和早期都是人寿险,按照买的年龄一辈子都是这个价格,差一岁都差很多,住院我买的私立全保,现在已经不能买了,如果上公立看或者降病房每天还可以拿钱。
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#31
降的话如果再升需要重新考虑身体状况再说了,你去公立看,可以给你每天cash拿
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#32
业界良心啊同意这句:For critical illness and medical fees, I prefer to rely on personal savings, rather than pay a large premium for an uncertain cover
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#33
前几天看到的新加坡人写的买保险的重要原则深表同意,转载分享一下1) No one in Singapore needs whole life insurance
2) Most insurance agents will immediately pitch you a whole-life insurance or an ILP (which you should not take). You should not continue dealing with them.
3) Most agents have extremely poor knowledge in financial planning and investing. Some don't even know the inflation rate and gives you bullshit numbers.
4) If you are lazy to settle your own insurance, you will pay an arm and leg for an agent to recommend an expensive product for you. Nothing wrong with that, if you're lazy.
5) If you are lazy to settle your own investments, you will pay an arm and leg for an agent to funnel it through an ILP to get subpar returns for you. Nothing wrong with that, if you're lazy.
6) Don't buy endowment plans.
7) BUYING. INSURANCE. IS. NOT. INVESTING.
8) If you need to buy insurance from anyone, DO NOT ASK YOUR INSURANCE AGENT "FRIENDS". Ask a non-commissioned agent for advice or better yet, a friend who is an insurance actuary.
9) You MUST have a shield plan (H&S)
10) Get term life insurance
11) If you need more term life coverage later on, layer it up
12) If you have a family history of critical illness, add CI coverage in
13) If you have a terrible family history of critical illness, get early CI coverage and go for regular screenings
14) If you have a blue collar job, get personal accident insurance and consider unemployment insurance
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#34
第一条和第14条不能认同其余的都深有同感。
个人觉得,虽然便宜,但是term life保到65岁(现在新的term可以保到75了),不发生残疾和死亡的情况,wholelife还可以拿出来你所付的premium,即使考虑到通胀,那笔钱也还是可观的。
至于意外险,白领蓝领金领都应该要有。便宜就不说了,谁哪一天发生什么样的意外简直是分分钟,都是命啊…… -
#35
意思是没有再升回去的必要?
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#36
你肯定没意识到1. 住院险每年交的钱虽然取决于你购买时的年龄,但是保险公司是会根据成本变更的,一般都是1,2年就会调整一次(都是上涨)。换句话说,假如你25岁买的保险,那么45岁那年交的钱不是和你25岁交的钱一样的,而是和那一年25岁的人交的钱一样。保险公司有权利随时更改保费,因为你觉得贵可以随时断保没有惩罚。
2. 重疾等保险的确每年保费不会变化,但是物价在变化。如果赔付额是20万,那30年前得到这笔赔付额的人和今天得到这笔赔付额的人生活质量是两个概念的。再过30年,你就算拿到了30万的赔付,可能也只是一个中等收入一年的薪水。 -
#37
请问各位类风湿属于Critical illness 之一吗?
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#38
Critical illness (CI) 不包括 Rheumatoid
新加坡2014年版Critical illness (CI)定义在这里: http://www.lia.org.sg/system/files/news/2014/08/LIA_CI_Framework_2014_LIA_Definitions_for_37CIs.pdf
但是, 以下三个早期重症保险包括 Rheumatoid:
AIA Glow Of Life
- The AIA Glow Of Life plan is specially designed for a range of conditions that affect women.
- Get renewal bonus i.e. additional coverage of 5% every time you renew your policy (for the first 5 years only).
- From third year of your policy you can enjoy complimentary medical check-up once in every 2 years.
- You can get payouts for conditions like rheumatoid arthritis, osteoporosis, and breast cancer that particularly affect women.
- In the event of accident or burn, reconstructive surgeries, you can get reimbursement up to 100% of your coverage.
AXA Early Stage CritiCare
- Early Stage CritiCare covers you right from the early stage to terminal stages of critical illness. It’s also applicable for special conditions.
- Get lump-sum payouts at 4 different stages of illness like early, intermediate, advanced, and terminal stage.
- Receive extra payouts during various illness stages, you can get up to 150% of your coverage amount during terminal stage.
- As you make your first claim of Early Stage CritiCare critical illness policy successfully, you can get all future premiums waived for rest of your policy duration.
- Enjoy 10% loyalty discount on your Early Stage CritiCare premiums, when you get Early Stage CritiCare plan with another AXA Life Insurance Singapore plan. This discount is applicable for the complete duration of your Early Stage CritiCare plan.
- Enjoy special conditions benefit where you get one claim for each of the conditions like severe rheumatoid arthritis, angioplasty, diabetic complications, dengue haemorrhagic fever, osteoporosis, and other invasive treatments for coronary artery.
- This plan enables payout for post-critical illness health check-up benefit.
HSBC Early Critical Care
- Early Critical Care covers 102 conditions of illness.
- Enjoy 100% payout for early stage critical illness.
- This policy covers prevalent illnesses like diabetic retinopathy, severe rheumatoid arthritis, and dengue haemorrhagic fever.
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bigcrab 楼主#39
第二条感同身受10几年前买的人寿,赔付的金额当时看来是蛮多的。
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可是在印度买的话可以带回国吃吗?或者在新加坡吃?海关不会查?
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#41
只要不是管制药物, 个人半年到一年的药量, 自用而不是销售 是可以进入新加坡的
新加坡管制药物列表:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misuse_of_Drugs_Act_(Singapore)
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#42
新加坡癌症协会是推荐买三个保险住院,重症和早期。但普通人又没有那么多钱买这么全的保险。
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#43
当然不是这么算的有些化疗,放疗不需要住院,但是住院险还是包的
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#44
这戏不是徐峥导演的不过这个时间段这种票房也是不容易
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#45
住院险应该不包括这种可在家服用的药物吧?
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bigcrab 楼主#46
YouTube 上看的haoxiang没有高清版的
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bigcrab 楼主#47
有钱人有钱买全保险
没钱人没钱买保险,更没钱付医疗费药费。
电影里的假药贩子对徐峥说:哥,我做了这么多年,发现世上只有一种病,qiongbing
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#48
正解,有病去印度买就完了现在我看网上好多人也是去印度买。
今天看了老梁的大唐雷音寺,是讲印度仿制药是它的名族工业,有些药中国防不了,技术达不到,但是印度可以防到99.9%,其实就是100%防止,估计是怕引起公愤,给自己留了0.01%的余地。
印度不仅政府支持仿制药,而且他们的技术水平,生产环境也能达到。
据说电影原型买那个药一盒20000多,就吃一个月,他一开始以个人名义从印度买一盒2000,后来帮病友大量团购,人家看他大买家,就给了他200一盒的折扣价,原价的100分之一。
我上次询问了一个重疾险,我和老公,再加孩子,一年要10000新,感觉负担不起了。
都想移民去别的国家了,新加坡以后养老怎么弄呀。 -
bigcrab 楼主#49
也是森森的担心养老保险要买全估计要要吃土
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#50
年轻还好毕竟身体好,不容易生病。保险便宜 还负担得起
人老了身体越来越不行了,保险费用却越来越贵。 Critical illness 一般到65岁。人的寿命可能会达到80,90岁
在最需要保险的时候,没有保险