租房子大概遇到了黑心中介/房东
熏衣草 • • 23804 次浏览最近在租房子。本来谈好了一间。跟中介谈好了价钱(中介说屋主同意),然后我就签了letter of intent, 给了支票,等屋主签字。没想到刚签完几个小时,中介打电话来说有别人出价,比我高150块,要我match。我质问中介怎么能在拿了支票之后还接受别的offer, 她说只要屋主还没签字,她都有义务把其他offer告知屋主。
楼主很生气,但还是很包子的答应match(主要是价钱还是比看中另一套屋子便宜了一丢丢。)
但是还是有点不安,怕这里面还有什么猫腻。请问有经验的同学,这种情况我应该停掉止损,还是继续走程序呢? 下面签TA什么的还有什么坑吗?谢谢啦!
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#1
这种中介,拉黑止损宁可再找一间。看你好欺负估计以后押金不退你也不敢出声。
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#2
也求曝光房源房东。加了150还比同类型的便宜说明可能是套路。不是套路的话 这种追逐蝇头小利的房东以后住进去也会有数不尽的麻烦。中介可能是被房东逼的。
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熏衣草 楼主#3
开始的价格便宜是因为我们答应在旧租客搬出去以后马上入住。而且对屋主没有任何要求,我自己带全部家具。
加完了150以后就跟一月份三笔的成交价最高的那一笔一样了。 -
#4
“她都有义务把其他offer告知屋主。” 说明此中介是代表屋主啊。。。 做的很对啊楼主不想match就不要答应啊
一遍包子的答应加钱 一边又不高兴 何必呢 拿回支票继续找新的屋子
目测此贴里提到的中介木有黑心问题 -
#5
现在市场上的房子多到不得了楼主不要在一棵树上吊死把
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#6
中介不考虑你的利益,不必客气你们答应在旧租客搬出去以后马上入住。而且对屋主没有任何要求,我自己带全部家具。所以少150正常啊。中介为啥叫你match,说明屋主又要多钱,又要你们的条件。目测新家俱一年不止1800.
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#7
没毛病,你可以选择不match竞价那么屋主接受别的offer退你押金,你自己另外找。这里面中介做的没问题,屋主哪怕签了LOI,还没签TA都可以变卦退回押金。
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#8
对对对,中介怎么都对,从开始就计划好给租客挖坑,还一副你可以不跳啊的无辜[…]脸。有没有点江湖道义,在电视剧里这种人能活几集?
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#9
不是中介不过中介的做法确实没错。LOI罢了,还没有签TA就等于还在讨价还价阶段啊,楼主应该自己找个中介去搞这些事情就好了,反正租客给的中介费又不多甚至可以不给中介费。自己来终究对于各种套路不熟悉,没法判断对错。
话说现在是租客市场,楼主为什么会同意加150?这种情况我建议坚持原先的价格,不要租,尤其现在买方市场,肯定拿回支票不理他就是了。说不定屋主又会回来跪求你了呢? -
#10
还有可能是黑中介拿不存在的offer来抬价就因为楼主包子。。。
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#11
这屋主中介都同意了,还说没错。。那男人找小三,女人隐瞒流产都没错,利益至上,都不犯法。。。
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#12
只是LOI的话有经验的中介不会做什么保证的2007年的时候今天口头同意明天反悔的时候多的是,所以中介的作用就是offer和loi不要过夜,不管是夜里一点还是两点一定立刻把TA或者OTP签了,不要给卖家或者屋主思考或者回去和老婆讨论的机会
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#13
你客观一点好么这中介代表的是屋主又不是中介,LOI一般写的很清楚屋主有多久时间考虑接不接受,接受就要按时签租约那么双方不得反悔;不接受或者逾期未签租约,屋主要退回押金互不追究。
做为屋主中介在一个deal确认之前拿到更好的offer,通知屋主不是他的责任和义务么?去问之前的租客要不要counter offer不是正常么? 口头同意的任何协议在白纸黑字签字前都没有法律效果,这不是常识?
假如租客认为屋主中介恶意抬价在坑他,他可以拒接继续给counter offer, 什么叫做提前挖坑给租客跳? -
熏衣草 楼主#14
mm的意思是LOI并没有什么法律效力? 即使我同意提价签了LOI, 后面还可能再被要求抬价吗?
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个人感觉这个从诚信的角度上说是不对的。但是中介的信息可能也只是房东的意思的转达,你不要COUNTER OFFER就是了。理论上没有签合同都有变数的。买房也是这样,即便买家给了定金也是可能反悔的。
之前在国内看过2手房,房东坐地起价更夸张,开始谈好的价格面谈就直接涨了几十万,也只能呵呵了。 -
熏衣草 楼主#16
是应该找个自己的中介.尤其我们这种没经验的。在签LOI的时候话太多,热情的表达了我们多喜欢这间屋子。。
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#17
这个声援一下说的在理,的有职业操守。有人为啥这么仇恨中介呢?中立一点么!
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#18
此楼正解; LOI其实在法律上是废纸一张其实很多人都不知道LOI其实是废纸一张。因为不是合同,不具有任何法律约束力。所以,只要你们租约没有签,双方随时都可以反悔。然后那个holding deposit 一定要全数归返。
但是因为利益关系,两方的中介是不会告诉你的。他们都想收提成,自然不会告诉你是可以反悔的。LOL
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熏衣草 楼主#19
层主的意思是即使屋主和租客都签了LOI也没用?而且屋主要把我的支票定金还给我?
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#20
废纸签来干啥?欺负别人不懂啊!双方同意那就直接签TA好啦。。。中介说清楚是废纸谁还会签,不是误导是啥?
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#21
LOI不是租房合同只要没在合同上签字,就可以反悔
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#22
是,房东要把定金支票退还给你因为他抬价,实际已经等于拒绝接受你的第一份LOI了,所以定金支票要退还。如果你接受抬价,那就重新签多一份LOI和开一张新的支票。
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#23
签了loi付了押金租客有权利反悔吗?反悔后能成功拿回押金吗?
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#24
眼拙,没看出是黑心中介感觉中介做的挺专业的呀。毕竟你有选择权,加或者不加。
毕竟中介要维护屋主的利益。合同没签之前,都是有变数的。而且做到了一有变数就马上通知你,而且只要你match了,就还是你优先。
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#25
以前拿到了租房的押金支票,对方悔约。我就把支票退了。商量着来吧……
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#26
What Is Letter Of Intent (LOI) And The Importance Of Ithttps://www.propertyguru.com.sg/singapore-property-resources/property-tips/letter-of-intent-loi-9873
A Letter of Intent (LOI) is a document used in various transactions that outlines a preliminary agreement between two parties before the deal is finalised. In Singapore, this is typically given by a would-be tenant to a landlord to express the former’s intention to rent a particular property from the latter.
Although not all property owners will ask for a Letter of Intent, some landlords won’t lease without getting one. As such, it’s best to prepare this document as it has a number of purposes.
First, it shows to the lessor that you’re serious about leasing the flat. Second, if the landlord accepted and signed the LOI, it means you’ve secured the unit and the owner can’t rent the property to another person, unless the validity of the document has lapsed and you no longer proceed to rent the property. Please note that after the Letter of Intent is signed by both parties, the Tenancy Agreement must be inked within seven days, unless the Letter of Intent stipulates a longer period.
It's Part In The Rental Process
To help you understand the purpose of the Letter of Intent, please see the typical rental sequence below:
Look for a suitable property to rent. To facilitate your search, please check our rental listings.
Visit the properties. Once you find a flat and you’re okay with its amenities and price, draft a letter of intent. You can use the LOI template in this link.
Give the Letter of Intent to the owner along with the “earnest deposit”, which is also known as “good faith deposit” or “booking deposit”.
If the landlord accepts the LOI, it is his responsibility to provide you with a draft of the Tenancy Agreement within an agreed time (typically 3 days).
The lessor and lessee then have seven days to sign the tenancy agreement, or more if indicated in the LOI. Once the tenancy agreement is signed by both parties, the tenant needs to pay the “security deposit”.
If the landlord rejects the Letter of Intent, he needs to return the earnest deposit. But if the would-be tenant no longer wants to proceed with renting the flat, the good faith deposit is forfeited in favour of the property owner.
Check Who You’re Dealing With
Before giving the Letter of Intent and handing the earnest deposit, always make sure that the person you are transacting with is the actual landlord or an authorized agent.
To check, have the person you’re dealing with log into their HDB account if you’re renting public housing, or have them access Singapore Land Authority’s MyProperty portal to verify the properties owned by that person. You can also visit this webpage of the Inland Revenue Authority of Singapore (IRAS) to confirm, but this will cost S$2.50 for each successful enquiry.
Moreover, we strongly advise you to give the Earnest Deposit and all other subsequent rental payments directly to the property owner, instead of the real estate agent, as there have been cases where the latter absconded not only with the booking deposit, but also with the security deposit and rental money.
Another precautionary measure is to pay by bank cheque or online fund transfer rather than cash. This is because cash is hard to trace unless you get a valid receipt, and tracing where the money went is helpful in case of disputes, fraud, or in the event the transaction goes awry.
Earnest Deposit
When the Letter of Intent is given to the landlord, it is accompanied by an Earnest Deposit, a financial token that shows that you are serious in renting the property.
The good faith deposit given is typically equivalent to one month’s rent for a one-year lease, or two months’ rent for a two-year lease. After the rental contract or Tenancy Agreement is inked, the good faith deposit will typically be used as payment for the first month’s rent or as security deposit.
However, there is still a slim possibility that after the Letter of Intent is inked, the rental transaction doesn’t proceed and no Tenancy Agreement is signed.
While rare, it happens when the landlord and tenant cannot agree over the Tenancy Agreement. If this occurs the Earnest Deposit needs to be refunded to the would-be tenant. But if the lessee is the one who explicitly backed out of the transaction, then the booking deposit becomes non-refundable.
There is also a possibility that the property owner would refuse to give back the Earnest Deposit as it’s unclear which party is backing out of the rental deal. If this happens, you can seek the help of the Small Claims Tribunals. However, the laws in Singapore typically favour the property owner, so you will need to have a good reason or evidence in order to win the case and get back your Earnest Deposit.
To prevent such a scenario from happening to you, include clauses in the Letter of Intent (LOI) that specifies the terms, where the booking deposit must be returned to the would-be tenant or forfeited to the landlord.
Key Parts Of A Letter Of Intent (LOI)
The LOI lays down the terms, through which you intend to lease a flat. Basically, it is the initial fine print of the verbal agreement between the tenant and property owner. It’s strongly advised to include all clauses you want to include in the official Tenancy Agreement in the Letter of Intent.
Among others the LOI includes the particulars of the landlord and tenant as well as the property to be leased. It also states the terms of rental, including the agreed monthly payment, along with the date when lease starts and ends.
As said earlier, you can use this LOI template and may also incorporate additional clauses such as these below:
Diplomatic clause
This applies to tenancy agreements with tenure of over one year. Specifically, this clause safeguards the occupants in the event s/he gets fired or needs to go to another country during the duration of the lease. Typically, the diplomatic clause allows to tenant to terminate the rental contract as long as the property owner is informed in advance so that the landlord can find a replacement tenant.
Tenant’s specific requests
In the letter of intent, the potential lessee can include specific requests. For instance, the would-be tenant can ask the landlord to repair the air-conditioning unit or provide certain fittings or furniture. If the property owner accepts and signs the letter of intent, he needs to accomplish the occupant’s requests.
You’ve now learned about the Letter of Intent, but there are still many things to know about Singapore’s rental market, so check our guide for tenants and landlords. -
#27
只有签了租约才算定下来了签约之前仔细阅读租约条款
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#28
你可以给一个苛刻的条件比如要求屋主当天几点钟以前必须决定要不要,不然逾时offer视为作废,屋主没能在规定时间里接受,作废当然就要退回押金。
做任何决定之前请再三考虑清楚,不然给了订金又反悔,这不是授人以柄么。 by right 租客反悔可以拿回订金,看LOI怎么写。只不过拿回的过程可能很麻烦,可能要去小额法庭什么。 -
#29
其实是不是废纸取决于条款怎么写有专门的相关法律课程,我得说仔细上完了你会觉得一张纸上满满的都是坑。
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#30
LOI是不是合同这是一个非常复杂的话题。我甚至能开一整堂课(3小时)讲这个事情。
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#31
直接签TA不就好了吗?
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#32
LOI是对TA的一个补充TA并不是所有条款定死的,LOI还有就家具要求、交接情况,合约条款上一些修改提出要求。
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#33
给讲一下吧大概的
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#34
讲了没用啊判断标准是是否形成可以执行的合约。你说讲了有用么?
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#35
双重标准?就事论事的说,怎么感觉这个loi更偏袒屋主。屋主可以无代价不遵守,租客貌似不遵守就很麻烦?
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#36
我擦想签就LOI和TA一起签嘛,欺负租客不懂而已,找这么多理由干嘛?
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#37
是的呢,得看条款怎么草拟
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#38
您来写,好不好?
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#39
说得好象层主就是这个不良中介啊自古同行相护,拿中介费叫客户写文件也是醉了。
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熏衣草 楼主#40
租房子大概遇到了黑心中介/房东最近在租房子。本来谈好了一间。跟中介谈好了价钱(中介说屋主同意),然后我就签了letter of intent, 给了支票,等屋主签字。没想到刚签完几个小时,中介打电话来说有别人出价,比我高150块,要我match。我质问中介怎么能在拿了支票之后还接受别的offer, 她说只要屋主还没签字,她都有义务把其他offer告知屋主。
楼主很生气,但还是很包子的答应match(主要是价钱还是比看中另一套屋子便宜了一丢丢。)
但是还是有点不安,怕这里面还有什么猫腻。请问有经验的同学,这种情况我应该停掉止损,还是继续走程序呢? 下面签TA什么的还有什么坑吗?谢谢啦!
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