这到底是自信还是不自信？逻辑都不能自洽
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#51
Long-lasting Covid-19 symptoms rare in childrenFewer than one in 20 (4%) were found to have experienced symptoms for four weeks or more, with one in 50 (2%) having symptoms for more than eight weeks.
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Ref:https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58071898
Children who become ill with coronavirus rarely experience long-term symptoms, with most recovering in less than a week, research suggests.
King's College London scientists say that while a small group may experience prolonged illness, they were "reassured" that number was low.
Headaches and tiredness were the most common symptoms seen.
A Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health expert said the data reflected what doctors saw in clinics.
Many who are infected do not develop symptoms and those that do, tend to have a mild illness.
This peer-reviewed study, published in the Lancet Child and Adolescent Health journal, wanted to understand how Covid affected children and how it compared to other respiratory diseases.
It used data provided by parents or carers to the UK Zoe Covid Study app.
The study looked at 1,734 children, aged between five and 17, who were reported to have developed symptoms and tested positive for Covid between September 2020 and February 2021.
The researchers say it's very difficult to know how many children were infected during this time period as the four UK nations record data differently, but they estimate more than 400,000 children and young people tested positive.
Fewer than one in 20 (4%) were found to have experienced symptoms for four weeks or more, with one in 50 (2%) having symptoms for more than eight weeks.
The most common symptoms reported were headaches and tiredness. Others included a sore throat and loss of smell.
On average, older children were typically ill for slightly longer than primary school children, with those aged between 12 and 17 taking a week to recover while for younger children the illness lasted five days.
It's the scientists hope that these findings will reassure families, while also validating those who have experienced prolonged illness.
'Listen to families'
The team also looked at an equal number of children who had symptoms but tested negative for Covid.
Only a few children - 15 out of 1,734 - had symptoms for at least 28 days, fewer than one in 100.
Emma Duncan, professor of clinical endocrinology at King's College London who worked on the research, said the "takeaway message" was: "Can children have prolonged illness after Covid-19? Yes they can, but it's not common and most of these children get better with time.
"Children can also have prolonged symptoms from other illnesses as well. We need to be looking after all children who have protracted illnesses, irrespective of whether that illness is Covid-19 or anything else."
Dr Michael Absoud, a consultant in paediatric neurodisability at Evelina London Children's Hospital and a senior author of the study, says it's important to listen to families who say their children have symptoms.
"If you are concerned about your child, the first thing you need to do is go to your GP and describe your particular symptoms," he explains.
"They can provide information or refer you to a paediatrician. It's important to remember there may be something else going on.
"If they think it is related to Covid, there are NHS clinics dedicated to providing advice on how to approach this. Hopefully they will be properly funded to support this small proportion of children."
Dr Liz Whittaker, infectious disease lead at the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health who was not involved in the research, said: "This study is reassuring for the majority of children and young people who develop Sars-CoV-2 infection, and reflects what paediatricians are seeing in clinical practice." -
#52
Long COVID and kids: scientists race to find answers从数据上讲，确实还没彻底研究明白，需要走一步看一步
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01935-7
He and his colleagues have been taking blood samples from secondary-school children in Dresden since May 2020 to track rates of infection. In March and April this year, surveys were taken from more than 1,500 children — nearly 200 of whom had antibodies indicating previous SARS-CoV-2 infection — to see how many reported long COVID.
In May, Armann’s group reported in a preprint that it found no difference in rates of symptoms reported by the two groups3. “This was kind of striking,” says Armann, and suggests that long COVID in children is probably lower than some studies have indicated. That doesn’t mean that long COVID doesn’t exist in children, he says, but it does mean the number is probably below 10%, a level that would have been picked up in the study. The true figure is perhaps as low as 1%, he says. -
#53
除了医疗挤兑，还有什么其他参数需要参考的？我想不到了。。。
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#54
这么多不想reopen的人你们都是不食人间疾苦的土豪吗？。。。
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#55
读书要活学活用新加坡高薪养廉，部长们到现在这个层次，这辈子要花的钱早就赚够了。你呢？
不排除有个别能够在任何国家都能生活的很好的人，但是绝大多数即使是接受过高等教育的人，换个环境都不是容易的事。 -
#56
我没打过 @针 啊，不是我打的。
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#57
咋准备，烧香拜佛么一波号称打了疫苗的南亚银行家及家属即将靠近
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#58
给层主提供一条捷径，据说吸烟能防感染
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#59
是啊都这么烦躁了烟还越来越贵，越来越恶，还是整点莲花清瘟吧
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#60
所谓的怕输怕死，我觉得根本不客观首先，部长们并不是百毒不侵，开放后，他们也面临着和普通民众一样的感染风险，而且他们也并不年轻。
其次，不开放的话，对部长们并没有任何的影响，人家该赚钱照样赚钱，该当官照样当官。
最后，要是新加坡经济垮了，你觉得是部长们更惨还是普通民众更惨？
所以，即使是怕输怕死，也不是部长们自己怕输怕死，而是怕新加坡的经济输或者死。 -
南勍 楼主#61
层主多读点书吧子击出，遭田子方于道，下车伏谒。子方不为礼。子击怒，谓子方曰：“富贵者骄人乎？贫贱者骄人乎？”子方曰：“亦贫贱者骄人耳！富贵者安敢骄人！国君而骄人，则失去国；大夫而骄人则失去家。失其国者未闻有以国待之者也，失其家者未闻有以家待之者也。夫士贫贱，言不用，行不合，则纳履而去耳，安往而不得贫贱哉！”子击乃谢之。
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#62
我说的是其他的"模范们"都时候回退了，新加坡精英们怕输怕死绝对不敢抵抗不是真的医学上的死，或着政治上的输。
本到时候本地的压力之下，自然也会有，但也不算是政治上的怕输。 -
#63
没觉得谁多不pa si啊，不就2人变5人吗
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#64
举个例子，美国要说辉瑞疫苗有问题暂停使用，新加坡精英们绝对不会等超过3个月就跟随虽然前者概率不大，但说明的就是新加坡精英们的风格。
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#65
明明是自己心理素质不行偏偏要怪ZF怪别人怪病毒 -是什么道理？
黑死病还么有来？
ZF并不能包山包海。
俺长期没工作，政府是不是需要养我呢？ -
#66
这个逻辑是这样的-现在封城，全部人收入储蓄上交抗疫（斗内）， 干不干？可不可以？有疫情，危险->所以要封城->封城了没有货物供应，没有工作机会->所以我没饭吃 ->我没饭吃是因为ZF决定封城 ->所以ZF要负责给我钱，给我饭吃，养活我。
各位是不是在想： 封城才好，工资不可以减？
ZF不是万能， 经济垮了，ZF怎么帮你呢？
各位大侠，此处不留爷，自有留爷处 - 你可以走， （官员也可以走），ZF却走不了
读书人，怎么毫无逻辑呢？
ZF要害人民吗？ -
#67
有些行业因为疫情变得更繁荣了啊不少高科技的，互联网的等等。
普通需要近距离跟人接触的服务业，才是受负面影响的大头。
新加坡引进技术移民的主题，显然是偏向高端的，政府也不需要中国来端盘子，卖杂货的拿pr给本地繁衍下一代吧。 -
#68
不同人需求不同，菲律宾整个国内绝大部分都是普通服务的，包括在海外打工的他们当然需要开放。。
人和人不同，国家构成也不同。。。 -
#69
这个论坛很多年轻高薪码工，单从工作角度，疫情对他们和其公司，有啥负面影响吗？电商，叫车，在线教育，在线娱乐，社交等等。
在这个论坛，有几个极其家属是搞按摩的？当小贩的？在鱼市的？当导游的？在酒店大堂服务的？。。。 -
#70
你说得太容易了因为疫情变得繁荣的行业是少数。政府要看的是整体。
你没看见去年CB的时候经济都萎缩成什么样子了？
新加坡要打造出一个能一直扛得住locked down的经济。完全不可能。 -
南勍 楼主#71
萎缩成啥样了？房价屡创新高，鱼贩照旧去找越南妹，没看到大家缺钱
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#72
记忆都那么短吗？去年Q2的GDP萎缩 13.3%, Q3 7%。
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#73
上面有人说要走啊没有几全齐美的事情。
现实是残酷的。
年轻一辈进入互联网，高薪了，也算是赶上好日子了。这也算是运气和命。早一批出生的就没这个好时机。
上面还说全体捐储蓄？
自然富人要多贡献了，怎么能大家一样呢？
我一向说的是收收放放，而不是从8月19号开始，单调开放不回退（除非医疗挤兑）。
我从没说一直封闭。
具体政策，精英们当然要承担咯。
细节，具体办法以前在别的帖子我说了一些了。不重复了。
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#74
政策，方阵策略不能走极端。但要有远见合金决断力。单调开放不回退（除非医疗挤兑），就是走极端。
继续看。未来长着呢。 -
#75
@andy99 你是哪个行业的？还在工作吗，还是已经退休了？
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#76
这些部长到了国外 就啥也不是了 普通人而已新加坡发展的好 他们退休了 也可以去各大公司当director 那社会地位能一样么
光脚的不怕穿鞋的
从中国来的技术移民 大不了去澳加 甚至回国 差不了多少的
部长们可就亏大了 -
#77
能去澳加的早就去了，而不是在这里bb
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#78
呵呵 你说的都对送你一枚奥运bb金牌
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#79
这个叫预期管理合理合法
难到要说”在XX领导下，以XX为核心，我等一定要把病毒和死亡拒之于门外“ 才比较鼓舞人心，或者政治正确？ -
#80
不是的还有多八个国家的打完疫苗的人入境免隔离
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#81
哦，那就当试点吧，毕竟人不能活在真空里
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#82
没了如来佛各种妖魔鬼怪都敢出来了
樟宜机场集团主席廖文良
https://www.sinchew.com.my/content/content_2371531.html
上面这是马来西亚媒体的，本地媒体没一个敢这么写。 -
#83
早报写的一字不差呀，那句没写?这算造谣吗我可以举报吗
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#84
这件事情在新加坡闹得那么大媒体一直报道，廖文良也辞职了。你完全没看新闻吗？
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#85
你给个链接呢我刚又去搜了下
早报标题全写的是廖启龙作伪证，
我一个路人，如果不google我还真不知道廖启龙是谁，
但如果你说他是廖文良的儿子，
那这个廖主席我是从他员工口中听说过他的。 -
#86
不提核心，胜似核心
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#87
我佩服老爷子还有另一位东方绅士 郑章远
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#88
当年吴做东还说过，钱不够的所以显然不是你说的都挣够了。
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#89
这很难理解吗政治人物，难道会说自己钱挣够了？
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#90
早报找得到的一字不差，劝你删贴一个从业经纪，贴这个， 有好事的截个屏投诉，没什么好处
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#91
请你贴新闻标题一摸一样的链接。
本人接受反驳，但不接受无根据的威胁。 -
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#93
关我屁事啊我不会威胁你好自为之
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#94
哦，我理解错了。你要本地新闻标题也说明“樟宜机场前主席儿子”。
这个，外地转载当然要额外说明啊。 -
#95
学过传媒的都懂为什么你试试google 廖文良 早报
再试试google 廖启龙 早报
最后试试google 廖文良 星洲
看能看出来区别了吗
当然廖主席确实没作伪证，应该告马来西亚媒体为了博眼球做这么无耻的标题。 -
#96
你想多了。那些日子一直在报道他家女佣的事，每天读报的人自然知道廖启龙是谁。外地偶尔报道一下的，加个说明也没问题。就像早报报道中国新闻，有时也会在标题上说明一下。